and it will lead you into much folly. Long story short, my life was turned completely around. This was a result of the fulfillment of the promise Jesus gave to Consider Jacob who wrestled with God. Bill Johnson and his wife are into grave soaking. I thought I did at times, but whenever the pain These are completely outside of his written word. The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. Ive been a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry. Have you ever met someone on Social Media and started dating them? ive approached my pastor on several disagreements ive had with him n hes explanation of it was satisfactory, we have council members so if the pastor is out of order we report to them and then it gets sorted. When the Word and the Holy Spirit are manifested in a service, keep this in mind: true preaching will always exalt Christ and His teaching (Jn5:39) and, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit will always point to Jesus (Jn16:13,14). The Bible is very clear on what the key to salvation is so why preach something that isnt of God? There's a flipside to believing that God will They dont even have one bible verse in the sermon or compare to a bible story. Only the blood of Jesus Christ saves. In Ezra and Nehemiah the priest had become so corrupt that God had to raise up a new movement by calling his ppl out, I have to remember that when I feel utterly alone at times. I've never heard if you can't speak in tongues you're going to hell. They used drama and technology and The Pentecostal movement spread to Sweden by 1907 from the 19041905 Welsh Revival and the Azusa Street Revival in The worship time was powerful and emotional but strangely empty for me. Thank you we are all finding each other I believe because the Holy Spirit There were career musicians What you described fits that movement to a tee We all belong tp eachother. We made sacrifices for the good of the church. We were making some Somehow, it all seemed so cheap and plastic now. As someone in ministry yourself you should understand better than most. I found this message grab my attention instantly. The I had tasted that discipline before, but I knew it was nothing compared to what was However, this is the same in very many churches of a more traditional nature. about asking for money -- and there were definite echoes of prosperity teaching involved -- but they didn't hunt you I never had one of those supernatural healing moments. Offended people sometimes have a wrong perception when no real offense exists. consumed and driven by manipulate. I pray the Lord will open many eyes within the pentecostal movement to rightly see his precious truth which does indeed bring liberty and true freedom. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. Phil 1:5-6NKJV No condemnation. Good afternoon, I also left the traditional church about three years ago, my worship is mostly in our lounge, studying the bible, praying and listening to a worship cd. Wants us to. They believed that they So the problem is not a movement but people who are either not saved, or they are deceived or sin abounds letting junk in. If there were a proper fear of the people of God, we would live very differently. Somenot all. I thank God for Martian Luther who saw corruption in the church then nailed the 95 theses to the door of Wittenberg Castle Church. This is where I am in my walk with God. And even though I am technically of the Pentecostal persuasion I can state without hesitation most of it today is completely false. WebMerely being a member of the Society for Pentecostal Studies often brings a Pentecostal scholars commitment to the movement into question. A Gospel preaching church. I, too, have been delivered out of charismania, where almost every week wed hear how revival was about to break out across America; where there would be times the preacher would say You wont need your Bible tonight!; where people would literally fall on each other; where Id hear contradictory prophecies; where wed read ourselves into Old Covenant Israel; where any critical examination was met with touch not the Lords anointed; and where everything depended on how you feel. healing. To keep my eyes aware to possible false teachings. Being hurt, seeing confusion in the life of my friends lead me back to God. When I hear that hyped up exegesis Gospel now I can easily discern that it is not biblical and it simply does not line up with scripture. In fact, I have learned so much about the bible that I was never taught as a child in the Baptist church that it is amazing! the community. all these people saying God told them this and that. I grew up mainly in the Presbyterian church (with my mom) and occasionally attended the Pentecostal church (with my dad during his visitation). Of course, if you are illiterate or not a great reader life is a tad more difficult! He abandoned his wife and 2 kids to be with her. A rare mix these days behind the pulpit. I didn't join an unhealthy church on purpose. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? coming. For me, Jesus is my King! These new revelations are being held in high regard by leaders with lots of influence and taught without resistance to MILLIONS, It has filtered into mainline denominations. The irony is that my journey took me in the opposite direction. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. The highs were tremendous, but the lows were horrible. Maybe what I had grown to love But He did not say you all of you are apostate and lost and going to Hell. Instead of getting closer to God, I found myself You learn to keep your opposing views to yourself. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing. When I held up the teachings of the Bible to their teachings it simply could not stand. They really don't speak much on any other gift. Jesus is pulling a lot of out. I was prophesied over several times and the hope of what was said never came to fruition. I know Presbyterian minister who fell into adultery. Praise YHWH. This is the beginning of a wonderful journey. Webwe should all care about the existence of objective, absolute truth because it fits logically with reality. Ive been there numerous times and it is NOT an emotional driven apostasy that you claim. Any dream/vision not lining up with the word should be cast aside as well. I have been raised a Seventh Day Adventist all of my life. Quiet times w/ Him. We are actually eternal family. Wow! A lot is tradition. When we make sure we are doing the right thing, we wont have so much time finding people who do the wrong thing. I attend a Pentecostal church after leaving the Catholic church. We believe God can heal and/or fill us with his spirit and because we long for it, we want so eagerly to believe what we see. When prophesies and words of knowledge didnt come to pass, it was blamed on some great sin in our family. Any more than Homosexuality in the Church started with the United Methodist Church. It was like medicine to hear it summarized so perfectly. The UMC denomination is in the battle of its life over the perversion infiltrating their churches. Some of the most intense growing up spiritually years of my life. I mean we were God chasers after all, soooo benevolent we were in great pursuit of God.Nothing says,Ilove you Jesusl like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar ministers new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. Sorry. Also grew up in church but i always thought to myself there must be more than this. I thought are these people trained to do this or is this just the dark spirit manifesting itself. 2 talking about this. Hope your doing well, Thank you for sharing. Praise God He continue to lead and guide us by His Spirit, just as He promised . I could not believe this woman would manipulate teenagers out of what little money they had with zero shame.As I shared the incident with other believers in righteousoutrage,not one person said a word at that table, Not one. And some in these two groups are generally those who condemn all Pentecostal and Charismatic groups as well as all teaching. It is seven oclock at night where I am (South Africa), I am therefore greeting you with good night, may your dreams and the new day tomorrow be filled with Gods majesty. We should spend time with Him to get to know Him as God in all His wonderfullness, also to find His road mapped out for ME, where He wants ME to serve in His Kingdom and that aint gonna happen by attending one service weekly and the rest of the time doing as I please. There were tearful hugs and promises to keep in What seemed to be happening in my mind was a church that was trying to keep alive a spirit of pentecost and all that goes with it. A girl with a similar story. Thought he was an OG but he snitched on me drinking and doing drugs at the halfway house so now Im on the streets with a back pack, Oleato beverages arrive at select Starbucks stores in Japan on April 20. thats why there so many of them who admit faking tongues. I went there that day with an equally unsaved friend and we both left that day She took away two step children I raised and love dearly and cut them off from all contact with me. Sadly, more and more preachers are using Gods word to deceive people and to become rich and famous. were many who volunteered their time, but paid staff members handled the bulk of the responsibilities. Take time to heal and be kind to yourself. Many Ministers pray, seek the Lord, read and study the word with a passion of the love of Christ. Its about praising Him, giving thanks to Him, and rejoicing in the hope/ assurance of our salvation through Jesus life, sacrifice and resurrection power, and desiring to walk ever closer with Him to know Him better and to bring glory to His name. There must be some The church was definitely Pentecostal, but the supernatural gifts and miracles were rarely the focus If youre not condemning some of these actions youre condoning them on some level and in doing so youre misleading the sheep. I have been invited to a park this Sunday for fellowship with other believers so Im more interested in grass root movements and genuine fellowship rather than pseudo-relationships once/twice a week. I do know how you feel. Apparently the Angel Gabriel appeared to Bob Jones who would give woman prophetic words if they stripped down in his office. I have found him and his word to be more than enough. I learned more about Israel and the feasts if God in Old Testament times in a few months listening to Perrys teachings than I ever have in my local non-denominational church. They didn't use "prophetic words" YESHUA DID NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW BUT TO FULFILL, OR DO THE LAW!! False prophecy is rampant in these circles. YMMV, What a wonderful summary of how God has been leading you into His truth and light. Wolves kill sheep and we must contend for the faith. He is the Word. I can't really explain it all here because I'm just not that well spoken and articulate with my words. The church had forgiven me even though I didn't deserve it Some who leave dont go to Even if we did keep in touch, it would never be the same. Thank you for the oppertunity to share and to see that there are quite a number of people in the same boat as I! I am absolutely scared that I am a narcissist and I don't know what to do. I remember seeking after the Holy Ghost. missing it so I could "fix" whatever it was and live in His blessing again. I am older and wiser. As my husband and I have grown in sound doctrine over the years a true love for teaching Gods precious word has emerged. This tragic epidemic in church that makes superstars out of ministers and puts in the hearts of young people that having a platform and being a worship leader is the pinnacle ofholiness;it is a sickness andcompletelybiblical. When I reached that point for the first time, I was discouraged but instead of walking away, I As my brother Michael referenced, 1 Thess. My questions didn't just melt away, but I learned how to talk as if they had. there to help you "pray through" until you did. I just so happen to read this from Acts 20, today: - Does the Bible promise health and wealth? than I was, and longed to be where they were. May you all be blessed and may your relationship with the Lord grow daily. If you ever want to chat, let me know and will be glad to listen. I should also be open to the Holy Spirits voice to give Word according to His perfect will. Staying connected to the Then blaming everyone else when were sick and spirituality unhealthy. Unfortunately it will just increase as the church continues to elevate personal revelation above scripture. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but by Him! Someone behind me said Is that it? I longed to be closer to God. church, most of the staff and a significant percentage of the congregation left & were replaced by others. Im so happy you have followed your gut on this one. A church gathering should be about connecting with God and learning more about Him both through the Scriptures and through seeing and hearing what He is doing in the lives of others who are living a life of faith in Him. Go read this book( the Great Controversy) written by E.G. Currently it turns my stomach and makes me want to smack my friends into reality. I wish you well and encourage you to be intimate with Christ every day. Gods peace and love-. The truth of the matter is most cannot discern for themselves because they lack true biblical knowledge. This is my story! The great thing is NOW Im able to articulate exactly why its terrible theology. I believe God can heal if you pray and He wills it. Looking back, I realize that there were only two Another lady received a prophecy at the age of 38 saying she was to have a child out of her womb, she was now 52 and could not understand what was going on. Services, classes or other I just left the same ungodly situation three weeks ago, so I praise God that you did also. You are coming out of a cult, so anger is one of the stages but I promise it gets better. How vain have we become to think the God who is holy, righteous, pure in every way looks to give us his Presence or another word to puff us up! Which is why he is forced to accept the workings of the Holy Spirit in scripture, those strange goings which opponents thought were of the devil or threatened their own religious viewpoints. God led me out of the movement and today I am free! I was suddenly able to consider that the ushers had been there pretty much 5 or 6 nights a week for 4 months. I now know it is manufactured, carnal and the tool Satan is using to raise up false converts with zero knowledge of the Word. Over the years I found that God takes things away from us so that He can be our only Rock and Anchor. I have heard false teaching, false prophecies, corrupt teachings and things that people said were of God and were not! It is so unbalancedan sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from.Its this idea that some magicalepic eventwill transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have arrived into your destiny moment. farther away than I had ever imagined possible. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 1. To encourage each other and pray for each other. bless you if you live, speak, and believe correctly. So if I seem dogmatic (or catmatic) on what I believe, not trying to be harsh or rude, just sure in what I believe. join or stay or even attend on a regular basis. Hence the pot calling the kettle black. Let us pray that many will read your post and see the lies, the great deception which has settled upon the church in this last hour. Faith was "calling those things tongues are heard (and interpreted) definitely out of the box from what I am used to or comfortable with. Some popular charismatic ministers are bad therefore ALL Pentecostals and Charismatics are bad. Through the years I didnt buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didnt think it was hurting anyone. Even the supernatural aspects had lost The majority of the congregation could just "show up" and enjoy. When you go to Church, you should keep your eyes on Christ and get eyes off people. I loved church fellowship and dressing up for church. I left the CC in 81to go to an AOG church for five years. It was an awkward departure. I then moved to a new church called good news community church wanting to make a change. Neither do I. Micheal I never said that. Yes, if there is false teaching going on in the church you were at, then you should leave it . It was time to join a more conservative group of Christians and yet still enjoy the fellowship of the Spirit. It sound devlish. I've been a member of this church all of my life. Let me give you my email address as well He was never the same physically after having a living encounter with Christ! I thank God that He kept me and put it in my heart at an early age to study things out. Divine impressions, dreams, and revelations. God! In the end, it is always the misinterpretation of the Bible. they didn't come to pass. Hi, I have a question. It was a warm fuzzy experience for the sake of We had a great pastor. The Bible teaches that only the 12 disciples received first the Holy Spirit. I dont know much about other denominations, I can only speak for the one I was in. I remember being in a church service with my hands raised singing a love song to God and realizing I was so lost. I spend a lot of time on my own with the Lord, I join prayer groups and chats like this or whatsapp groups. They do as the bible says to feed the flock not scatter bring them in. Maybe I needed to stop working extra hours and devote more time to I felt guilty. I have found my WAY IN YESHUA I am Hebrew (crossed over). Since the Garden of Eden, the Devil has been on a campaign to twist God's Word. John etc. I have found another church but it still has some ties to Bethel type stuff. I am not alone! 9. Maybe I wasn't reading my Bible enough. Ultimately, I accepted a new job in another state and left The folks who really needed healing the most--the cancer patients, No, I dont blame you at all for leaving that stuff. If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. I received the Holy Ghost in March and got baptized in Jesus' name in May of 2011. I think the devil is fooling the elect! Its one thing to interpret something different, its another to completely twist the word of God into the opposite of what it says and thats what theyre doing. I Corinthians 7:10 did not count because 1 Corinthians 7:11 is a clause just in case 1 Corinthians 7:10 doesnt work out is what she told me. I too couldve written most of this sisters blog. Seek out people who will be a support system until you can get stronger; Until their words have no influence over you. The final straw for me, and the reason I finally left my church of 25 years, was due to the lying and deceptive nature of the pastor. As I sat in church all these years I couldnt help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing Gods work. The reason I left was because my Today the seeking of Gods Presence, a word, a special anointing, has been replaced by rightly knowing Gods word and simply obeying it. Blessings, Thank you. We would immediately check and test everything against the word of God like the Bereas, who weighed and tested mens teachings of that day to the standard of Gods word. would melt away. I have so many friends lost in these same easily disproveable liesif only they would pick up a Bible and study it for themselves. much about the lives of their members outside of church and they didn't want to know either. Assembly of God, Calvary Chapel, Southern Baptist are generally good Churches. The pastors were friendly and easy going. And shame on them for not doing so. As Christians we need to be a Berean and test everything by the Word of God in regards to what we hear, what we see, what we read as well as words from the Lord. I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship. http://bible.com/1/rom.3.20-22.kjv, Galatians 2: Im heartbroken to hear that. View all posts by puresola. Christian fonts only! It was a process to leave my former church and begin attending the new church regularly. leave before it was over -- you might miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have an encounter with My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. There wasn't the same sort of "exclusive club" feeling. Thanks for sharing your story and I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future. Over the course of 30 days, some wonderful Christians inside the jail (other inmates) grabbed ahold of me and poured out God's love and encouragement on me. Its like, maybe they need to get the blinders off their own eyes before trying to point a finger at someone else. To tell someone they dont have the Holy Ghost if they dont speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. I believe in the Prophetic, but not in the Pathetic. I was still being taught that God loved me and wanted to bless me but I didn't believe it anymore. There we started studying scripture but the practice was the same as my previous church. (LogOut/ I learned to hide my symptoms and act like We are not the Spirits equal but rather, nothing more than dust. It constantly breaks my heart to see the hunger for God in peoples eyes, and know they are not getting fed and led to Him: the humanistic messages that encourage people to do their best, instead of helping them to see that without Christ we can do nothing that pleases Him; that we are dead to the old life and we live the new life by Christ in us as new creations with transformed minds and joyful hearts. This should help those who are struggling with the pentecostal way of thinking and also help you see why its not working and more specifically that it is not working. Why I Left The Pentecostal Movement: Exposing Corruption Within The Pentecostal Movement Kindle Edition by Von Hanshaw (Editor) Format: Kindle Edition 7 ratings Kindle $0.00 Read with Kindle Unlimited to also enjoy access to over 1 million more titles $2.99 to buy Subsequently, I could look beyond the experiential and look at Christ. As I was screaming my babblingprayers and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say? I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. Today Im more of an agnostic Christian. And you will make a difference for good in the kingdom of God. This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. In fact, I'd be surprised if anyone even noticed Young people mimmick their piers. I have seen false prophetic words destroy peoples lives. Well I guess you now know what God is doing, Hes bringing His real children out of a apostate Church and into His truth. That is what Thess. Wilkerson believed the denominations criteria created unnecessary obstacles to those he was training to be pastors. Your story is more common than you know. In this video, I talk about the reasons why i left the conservative Pentecostal movement. I went to other churches that were Word based but there was no spiritual life. They prophesied that they saw my moms brain cells starting to multiply, but of course we had to do our part, which involved extreme fasting, and money ( it always involves money for these evil wolves!). Its VERY DANGEROUS to say God said so and so when He did not! Spend time with the Lord, in a group or on your own doesnt matter, the focus is on my Beloved, not the people around me. I can tell you of some corrupt Baptist Churchs which have left the Faith and embraced the Homosexual agenda. Galatians 2:21 KJV Looking forward to that blessed day when I see Jesus face to face; and by His strength I will live for Him until my last breath. I am a non-denominational evangelist who simply calls himself a New Testament Christian. People saved, people healed, marriages restored etc etc. I had done everything I knew how to know what I wanted in a church, but I was absolutely clear on what I DIDN'T want. In reading, studying, praying, and using 1 John 4 as a litmus test, Gods word (imagine that) gave me clarity and hope in a frustrating situation. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. I believe it was a culmination of things that brought me to truth. Unfortunately the pastor has been influenced by these things whether he sees it or not. I can honestly say it felt like the bottom dropped from under me, and I didnt know what to believe anymore. Im not anti-Charismatic: I know my gifting, and I know Jesus still uses the gifts (charismata) of His Spirit to enable people throughout the church in their ministries. He is my all in all! The hairstylist gave a bad experience therefore ALL hairstylist are bad.
